Demigod Tips&Tricks

Tritemio · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 41

I play Demigod of Revenge, my opponent use a counter, what is the acceptable trick with i can put it into play?

Es. I say u counter it as soon as i play it? Yes? So is ability is on the stack and put it into play...

onecleanceli · Joined: 27 Mar 2005 Posts: 264

here's essentially how it works, because your opponent that is countering is the person who has to be specific....
you play demigod, opponent says "in response - <cryptic command>"
you say, ok, demigod is countered, goes to graveyard, now triggered ability resolves, all come back (all 1 if its the first played)... if they say no, you say that they never specified when they were countering the spell (before or after the triggered ability) and it is their responsibility to do so since they are countering

Shogun · Joined: 01 Nov 2004 Posts: 17

You cant assume they played it the wrong way when they didnt specify it either, and the whole scenario will end up with

1.) Demigod in graveyard

2.) You warned for unsportmanlike conduct

At least thats the way cases like this were handled in Grand Prixs, Nationals and any other tournament I participated in.

Trotsky1 · Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 940

Actually if they dont specify you cant just assume they made a bad play, you have to ask, you can of course be missleadin in the way you ask. Ie Okay so I assume your countering Demigod with the ability on the stack right? You could even use reverse psychology and ask the right way round depending on how smart the player is though if he understands the stack your never gonna get him so only really fools dummies.

I dont know if you can get a warning for this but if a judge is called they will ask the opponent when he played the spell except they wont provided any bias like you can if you ask yourself.

CMA-Flippi · Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:59 am Post subject:

Usually these situations end up with judges who find out about the countering players intent. If he thinks counter-player wanted to counter after trigger resolved, it will be that way, else otherwise.

rafael05 · Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 5

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 346

Of course a judge would have to investigate, but in principal, the burden of proof is on the countering player.

If he simply states 'I counter it!' it's assumed he played it at the first opportunity he had, which is in response to the triggered ability.

If you don't at least somehow mention something about a triggered ability, you're out of luck and just made a bad play.

Your opponent will never be warned for unsporting conduct in such a situation unless he is very beligerent about it or is asking for penalties. I'm sorry Shogun, but I don't for a moment believe that was how it was handled at any high level tournament, unless the Demigod player was being a total ass.

Vedrfolner · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 1440

So can you hand over priority BEFORE all abilities controlled by you are put on stack? When you play Demigod, two instances are put on stack: the spell and the triggered ability. You can choose the order in which they will resolve, but I think you have to do that before handing over priority, so both will be on stack by the time the opponent gets to do anything. The order will need to be announced.

So the only way you can get a single Demigod through a counterspell, is if the opponent isn't aware of how these things work, and you don't tell him. It is the same with the Mogg Fanatic + Grave Pact dilemma: I sac and kill a target elf, he sacrifices another. I should probably tell him that he doesn't have to, but would there be any point in letting someone less knowledgable win because of that? It isn't like I cannot possibly lose vs someone who don't know all the rules... I don't myself!

ransom3 · Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 174

I don't think you can choose the order they resolve in, because the Demigod spell is already on the stack when its ability triggers.

Ggerg · Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 485

Ashmatan · Joined: 21 Dec 2006 Posts: 61

This is how I understand it: Demigod says "when you play DoR...." not when he is successfully cast. Therefore, the spell goes on the stack and the trigger with it, looking for other DoR in the graveyard to put into play. Since the opponent gets to respond to the spell being put on the stack and he plays cryptic command and chooses counter, draw for example, the DoR is put into the graveyard as usual but the trigger is still on the stack. Last in, first out goes as such: DoR spell==>trigger==>cryptic command. Command counters DoR and it goes to the grave. Trigger is still looking for DoR in the grave and when the trigger finally resolves, it finds the countered DoR in the grave and the trigger brings it into play. It was explained to me this way at the Shadowmoor prerelease and it seems like it is the correct way although the original way people tried to explain it to me was WAY too complicated to be for real. This is much more believable, but I would like a DCI tourney judge to explain it better. I'll write wizards or try to look it up myself to be sure, but I think it is this way.

Ggerg · Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 485

Jacois · Joined: 05 Sep 2004 Posts: 487

All this demigod talk got me thinking how cool it would be to cast Buried alive for 3 Demigods than casting the 4th.