New Deck - "Let's Go Fly a Kite

Yuri5 · Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 18

land:
7 Snow covered forest
9 Snow covered mountain
3 highland weald

Creatures:
2 Grim Poppet
2 Hostility
4 Bodargan Hellkite
2 Stuffy Doll
3 Wall of Roots

Sorcery:
4 Harmonize
4 Into the North
3 Molten Disaster
3 Primal Command

Instant:
4 Skred
4 Sulferous Blast

Artifact:
4 Coalition relic

Planeswalker:
2 Garruk Wildspeaker

Sideboard:
4 Krosan Grip
4 Vexing Shusher
2 Detiritiore
3 Squall Line
2 Akroma, Angel of Fury

When I got 4 Bogardan Hellkites pretty easy in a trade, I decided to mess around and throw them into a deck. the only way I figured out how to consistantly pull them out of the deck was to use the power of green mana ramping and mana excelling to get them out. I always loved the Snow lands and Coldsnap in general, so using those land was just natural. Into the north allowed me to run the Highland wealds, not to mention that using most of my snow mountains involved ripping apart my Skred Red deck. I never looked at Red Green Mana Ramp, but I've been told the mana gathering was strangly identicle. After dissassembling my skred red I just decided to throw the two decks together into one. After I played is several times and tweaked it to what it is now, I went to a magic tourney and took first. The Deck is not cookie cutter, however it's bad match-ups are Faries, and, for some reason, "stompy". other then that it outraces most others, and has an answer for everything else. the Side board runs control hate, which leaves faeries in the cold. please destroy my deck with your words now?

ZeMuppet · Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 85

I've seen worse, like my own for example...

ebbitten · Joined: 01 Jan 2007 Posts: 41

19 lands in a mana deck just seems wrong, i know that you have accel but you still need to be able to hit each drop consistently. The rest looks cool

Trotsky1 · Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 902

Just to emphasise the point you are not playing anywhere near enough lands typically a deck like this would want 24.

ransom3 · Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 165

For a kite deck you definitely need Tatterkite.

Yuri5 · Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 18

zemuppet: blarg!!!

ebb, and trot: try it before you tell me what for!!!

ransome: lawls!!

Orlandu · Joined: 25 Sep 2004 Posts: 195

I'd suggest -2 Poppet -2 Hostility -4 Sulfurous blast for +1 Wall of roots +2 Mouth of Ronom +1 Mountain +4 Firespout

R3wind · Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Posts: 953

You also need to drop the Moltens. They are not very good right now.

Yuri5 · Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 18

orlandu: poppet deals with creatures one at a time very well, I hated using a huge skred on a small creature or a feild removal on small creatures. the hostility as just a 6/6 haste beatstick that I do not depend on at all. sulfurous blast is far better then firespout. eitherway, my creatures do not care that they got hit, so the selevtivity of firespout is out, one more cost to hit the player and allow me instant speed is sooo worth it. if there was a 5 cost WoG would you play it (retoricle)? 4 walls was played, then I got colo relics and wall was soo much less..... agro can be burn away easy enough...... mouths are colorless and not good for me, I tried, but they didnt make the cut so well.... "I destroy my land to hit a creature then top deck hellkite next turn and cannot play pass turn" not my favorite thing to think stop adding land to me T.T

rewind: I run molten because merfolk is played often enough, not only that, but it's a split second to my stuffy win..... stuffy doll is the second win condition, hostility is third, poppet is 4th, hellkite is number one baby!!! lol... uhmm, moleten disaster allows me to tie game 1 against those pesky blue white counter control bitches T.T resolving stuffy doll is nice though, I did that once without sidboard tech, and oh man he should have just scouped after stuffy was choosing him ^.^

Noobsauce · Joined: 13 Jan 2007 Posts: 34

Why don't you try out their suggestions before telling them they're wrong?

ILikeBananas · Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 156

Posting here usually implies you seek advice. Yet you spend more time defending your deck than listening.

Yes you need more lands. Nobody needs to test a 60 land.dec to know that you'll always be flooded. It's THAT obvious to us that you need more. If you claim that you've had no mana problems with 19 lands, than either you are very lucky, or you have no discipline when it comes to testing. Yes I see the 4x into the north, 4x relics, and 3x wall of roots. Traditional R/G ramp still runs more mana sources than you and their curve is lower than yours.

I like grim poppet in big mana deck. The more questionable choices are stuffy doll and hostility. Nameless inversion still sees much play. Hostility is just....I dunno. Looks viable in RG ramp.

Molten is a good card, but only when faeries are not on top.

For the SB, detrivore is nice in this meta full of non-basics. Too bad it's too slow.

The winning R/G ramp decks are already fairly optimal. There's not much room for originality. The meta has barely changed. Faeries are still a bitch so run some cloudthresher.

Yuri5 · Joined: 19 Nov 2007 Posts: 18

noobsauce: I have tried most of the advice, I did run 23 land at one point..... however it was just not worth the hassle. grimmy was thrown in because of issues and has been good to me since.

bananas: you've told me one thing I haven't tried so far.... cloud thresher would be nice, but I am almost affraid to run it because I run more red based creature then green. running him might make it so I drop 1 mountain, and go up one forest.... but other then that it's workable...... I might give it a try, I Just like how having the creatures that I do, they do what they do best most of the time and that's just get in their damage then fish out removal

Vedrfolner · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 1399

Mirage · Joined: 31 Jan 2006 Posts: 96

This deck isn't new at all. Don't try to make a successful Stuffy Doll deck by throwing it into a proven deck.

ZW · Joined: 25 Apr 2008 Posts: 174

I like your joke about how the deck outraces others with hellkite. Your deck never ever gets 8 mana, it has 19 lands. R/G ramp decks have 8-10 accel cards and 23-24 and they couldn't use hellkite to outrace opponents. Have you tested at all? The deck seems much worse than you think...

Also, in a deck with as lands as horrible as this, play search for tomorrow, not relic, because most of the time you will not hit land 3. I'm not making fun of the deck, its the truth. You need way more lands.