Wild Nacatl for ext 5c Zoo

CHRONICBL · Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 49

Wild Nacatl
G
1/1
Creature - Cat Warrior
Wild Nacatl gets +1/+1 as long as you control a Plains.
Wild Nacatl gets +1/+1 as long as you control a Mountain.

This is an easy addition to 5c Zoo decks in extended right?

gypsy · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 903

yes this is an auto include i think.

Trotsky1 · Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 895

Seems on a par possibly slightly better than kird ape certainly is in zoo.

stone_d · Joined: 19 May 2006 Posts: 47

Yes, isamaru is crap now...

It's even a common lol.

ACM · Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 111

On par or slightly better than ape? In Extended Zoo with Fetch- and Shocklands, this is a 3/3 on turn 2 almost every time.

shadow483 · Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 55

ACM · Joined: 03 Jan 2008 Posts: 111

The bonus of having it 3/3 next turn is huge though, that one extra power can do a whole lot.

Acid_Christ · Joined: 28 Aug 2004 Posts: 515

asamodious · Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 121

you just play both. and play whichever one is better against what your opponent is playing is the one you play first.

Ggerg · Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 468

it's obviously amazing. and it's only "downside" is shared by the only other card competing for that slot (isamaru - also a 2/2)

er, unless someone wants to run a slightly slower version that plays figure of destiny....that's a whole other deck tho i think.

EDIT: i think the real question is weather to run the new 5/4 for 3 or doran.

doran is legendary, but doesn't really die to the same removal that kills the 5/4. also it requires black mana, but that shouldn't be a probelm really....especially if we're talking about playing dark confidant too...

anyone?

aldaryn · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 467

You play both. Grim Lavamancer left, and you have less reason to MD Mogg Fanatic because Dredge is all but dead. Now for your 14-16 1-drops, you have Figure of Destiny, Wild Nacatl, Kird Ape and the "lol weakest link" Isamaru.

As for the WRG 5/4 vs. Doran, you play the 5/4 guy even though it seems counterintuitive. Here's why

1.) BWG is actually kind of hard for the mana base. You typically go get Stomping Ground and Godless Shrine if at all possible. Think about the cards you want to play: Gaddock Teeg (or maybe ye olde outdated Watchwolf, but prob not) wants G and W separate, Figure of Destiny wants all lands to produce R or W, and you want to be able to cast Dark Confidant on turn 2. To get the 3rd element for Doran, you will probably have to get another shockland and send yourself to 11 (maybe 12 if you are lucky). However, most lists have 1 Mountain to fetch in a pinch, and RWG is easier to play this way. It's possible if you want to play Flame Javelin that you could play all R/x dual lands, but this obviously doesn't help Doran's case. However, more red is always better; even with red mana sinkers like Lavamancer gone you still may want to play cards like Molten Rain. Stomping Ground and Godless Shrine are the best way to cover all your bases with just 2 lands and Woolly Thoctar plays to that too.

2.) Doran being black is irrelevant, at least for this year. People don't play Shriekmaw and Terror in Extended. They play Putrefy and Smother. Once Smother is gone, it will be another story, but Smother is the best answer to Tarmogoyf and killing Doran or this other guy is icing on the cake. And obviously Putrefy is the same story, along with Mortify which may see play since Vindicate is gone.

3.) The 5 toughness is obviously better, but once you are up to 4 people will be trying to Smother/Putrefy your guy, or Wrath it, not burn it. Furthermore, Doran screws with Dark Confidant and whatever other X/1's you use, although he admittedly helps Kird Ape.

I say Woolly Thoctar is better primarily on mana base considerations.

Spyx · Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 874

Another point for the thoctar is that he is a lot harder to take over with vedalken shackles. Seeing how Doran has 0 power they can take him right away, but they need 5 islands for this guy.

aldaryn · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 467

Also a fine point!

Ronnan · Joined: 08 May 2005 Posts: 161

doran kills plating

Spyx · Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 874

and he turns ornithopter into a vicious beatstick