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itsnotme
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
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 Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: QnT |
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hey guys
ill play QnT next we
here is my list
// Lands
3 [LRW] Vivid Meadow
4 [LRW] Vivid Creek
4 [SHM] Reflecting Pool
4 [SHM] Mystic Gate
3 [SHM] Island (1)
4 [LRW] Vivid Grove
1 [SHM] Sunken Ruins
1 [EVE] Flooded Grove
1 [EVE] Cascade Bluffs
// Creatures
3 [LRW] Shriekmaw
4 [LRW] Mulldrifter
4 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
3 [LRW] Cloudthresher
2 [EVE] Archon of Justice
1 [SHM] Oona, Queen of the Fae
// Spells
2 [LRW] Makeshift Mannequin
4 [SHM] Firespout
4 [LRW] Cryptic Command
3 [LRW] Broken Ambitions
2 [EVE] Hallowed Burial
2 [SHM] Runed Halo
1 [EVE] Oona's Grace
// Sideboard
SB: 1 [LRW] Shriekmaw
SB: 1 [LRW] Cloudthresher
SB: 2 [EVE] Hallowed Burial
SB: 2 [SHM] Runed Halo
SB: 3 [MOR] Chameleon Colossus
SB: 4 [LRW] Wispmare
SB: 2 [MOR] Mind Shatter
but i dont really know how to sb vs kithkin/doran im not sure what to take out.pls help me;) |
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R3wind
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Posts: 970
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Okie vs Kithkin you are going to want to side like this
-2 Runed Halo
+1 Cloudthresher
+1 Hallowed Burial
And you may want to side in Wispmare if you see main deck O-Ring
Vs Doran
You want
-4 Firesprout
+2 Hallowed Burial
+1 Halo
+1 Cloudthresh |
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center
Joined: 06 May 2006
Posts: 386
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| R3wind wrote: | Okie vs Kithkin you are going to want to side like this
-2 Runed Halo
+1 Cloudthresher
+1 Hallowed Burial
And you may want to side in Wispmare if you see main deck O-Ring
Vs Doran
You want
-4 Firesprout
+2 Hallowed Burial
+1 Halo
+1 Cloudthresh |
Holy hell that is SUCH a bad sideboard plans I want to shoot myself in the face.... Like seriously...
Kithkin:
I would suggest cutting the mind shatter's and adding some plumveil. Mind Shatter is fine in the mirror but isn't too good. Well with you current board you should do this:
+2 Hallowed Burial
+1 Shriekmaw
+3 Chamelon Colossus
-1 Oona
-3 Cloudthresher
-2 Archon
Why you would want more cloudthresers is beyond me... Chamelon's basically do the same thing as Archon except they can't be unmake'ed and come down faster. Wrath's are the nuts against them so you want more.
Doran:
+2 Runed Halo
+2 Hallowed Burial
+3 Chamelon Colossus
-3 Cloudthresher
-4 Firespout
Firespout doesn't kill anything and Cloudthresher is just a big dump animal and CC is a big dumb animal that has pro black and costs 2 less mana, so he wins out in this match up. |
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ZW
Joined: 25 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Cloudthreser is so much better than chameleon versus kithkins... chameleon is just a 4/4 for 4 versus kithkins. Thresher can kill procession tokens. |
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gypsy
Joined: 15 Jun 2007
Posts: 921
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| Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| you almost never board out thresher, its your best win condition, everything else takes so long to win with. |
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Ggerg
Joined: 04 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| gypsy wrote: | | you almost never board out thresher, its your best win condition, everything else takes so long to win with. |
agreed. thresher stays in against everything except red deck...and even then i can see a couple solid arguments for leaving it in.
the real issue here is your list, particularly the lands. you're running only 25 lands in what is probably the most mana-hungry deck in a very long time. most people play 26 land in toast, but i'm pretty sure the correct version should go up to 27 and run 2 oona's grace (which is absolutely amazing). i recommend running a single springjack pasture as well. it's actually best in the mirror, but can pull you out of some tight spots vs great draws from kithkin and red.
someone said earlier that archon and colossus basically do the same thing, only colossus is faster and doesn't die easily. that's absolutely right, and is the reason you should be running them INSTEAD of archons in the MAIN.
mind shatter is definitely better in sb than plumeveil, as you basically auto-win vs. kithkin 9 times out of 10, and you're gonna loose to red anyway. and mind shatter is the single best card you can play in the mirror match. (yes it got worse with eventide and oona's grace, but it's still just amazing)
...i dont like halo main either, as i feel there are just better cards to run in its place, but i dont expect you to agree with that, and it's a personal choice.
but ya, biggest problem is ur mana...run more lands, they're good |
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gypsy
Joined: 15 Jun 2007
Posts: 921
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| i agree halo main isnt that good, i also never rly liked mind shatter in mirror as i never find it to be of any use, either u have a threat that they need to answer and they need to topdeck something, or vice versa or your both playing lands not doing anything and you just tap a bunch of mana to mind shatter and they just counter. i would keep probably 2 thresher in vs red depending how many runed halos in my deck after board. not sure about collosus versus archon, when i tested the deck i wasnt good enough to draw my archons enough for them to matter they way they should. i also like fulminators main over finks agaisnt most of the field except that it messes up the mana because of the more white additions to the deck than previous versions |
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itsnotme
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
Posts: 22
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| ok thx so far but what should i cut for the 26th land? |
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arkadias
Joined: 19 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| i'd cut the oona, but thats just my opinion. |
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Eldar
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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Location: Rochester
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:28 am Post subject: |
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How about you board against kithkin correctly:
+1 Shriekmaw
+2 Hallowed Burial
-2 Runed Halo
-1 Oona, Queen of the Fae/-1 Archon of Justice
Against doran do something like this:
+3 Chameleon Colossus
+2 Hallowed Burial
+2 Runed Halo
-3 Cloudthresher
-4 Firespout
Reasoning behind this is simple. Against doran you bring in your pro black men, wrath effects, and ways to nullify their threats. Against kithkin you take out your suboptimal cards for wrath effects and more creature control. At no point do you want to bring in colossus against kithkin as it just gives them another target for mirrorweave. It is really up to you whether u want another legendary drop in your deck since it can't be weaved or whether you want a cheaper beater that can be weaved.
Also on a side note a lot of the lists that are doing well have been cutting archon as he is a bit slow and adding cards such as brion stoutarm. I know the list that just won PTQ Pittsburgh this past weekend or so I was told was not running archon and was running brion among other cards. |
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gypsy
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| he played 1 brion |
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itsnotme
Joined: 17 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:11 am Post subject: |
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| where can i find the list? |
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center
Joined: 06 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Cloudthresh just sucks in every matchup except faeries, everyone answers him no problem. Against Kithkin you boarding in 2 more wrath's and spot removal, so you really don't need a conditional wrath that shocks your self.
Winning the game isn't really a problem against kithkin, you just have to stablize the board.
If you have CC they are better than Archon's in the kithkin match up. |
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center
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Eldar wrote: | How about you board against kithkin correctly:
+1 Shriekmaw
+2 Hallowed Burial
-2 Runed Halo
-1 Oona, Queen of the Fae/-1 Archon of Justice
Against doran do something like this:
+3 Chameleon Colossus
+2 Hallowed Burial
+2 Runed Halo
-3 Cloudthresher
-4 Firespout
Reasoning behind this is simple. Against doran you bring in your pro black men, wrath effects, and ways to nullify their threats. Against kithkin you take out your suboptimal cards for wrath effects and more creature control. At no point do you want to bring in colossus against kithkin as it just gives them another target for mirrorweave. It is really up to you whether u want another legendary drop in your deck since it can't be weaved or whether you want a cheaper beater that can be weaved.
Also on a side note a lot of the lists that are doing well have been cutting archon as he is a bit slow and adding cards such as brion stoutarm. I know the list that just won PTQ Pittsburgh this past weekend or so I was told was not running archon and was running brion among other cards. |
I agree with you but in the matchup Archon is just worse than CC |
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ZW
Joined: 25 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Cloudthresh just sucks in every matchup except faeries, everyone answers him no problem. Against Kithkin you boarding in 2 more wrath's and spot removal, so you really don't need a conditional wrath that shocks your self.
Winning the game isn't really a problem against kithkin, you just have to stablize the board.
If you have CC they are better than Archon's in the kithkin match up. |
No, actually, thresher is your best threat, and a good answer to procession tokens. Never side him out. Hes also good in the mirror, because you can flash him in end of turn, and he can even flash in and kill a demigod. I would never side him out. |
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