Copy of Destiny

Tritemio · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 40

FoD=Figure of Destiny

1. I have FoD 8/8, can i pay R and make it a 2/2 ?

2. I play Mirrorweave on FoD 4/4, all creature become 4/4 or 1/1?

3. If i active Mirror Entity at 2, and i have a FoD 4/4 into play,my FoD is a 2/2 or 4/4

4. I play Snakeform on a FoD 4/4, is a 1/1 or 4/4?

Lynolf · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 255

1. Yes

2. I think they'll become 1/1, because "copying" only checks the printed values on the copied card. I'm not entirely sure about this one.

3. It will be 2/2, which will return to a 4/4 when the effect or Mirror Entity ends.

4. The same thing, it will become 1/1.

Note also on lines 3 and 4 that if you play its second ability after those effects, it will override the previous p/t changes and will become 4/4 again.

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 328

1) I was wrong, see other answers.

2) All creatures become copies of the printed card (as all copy effects) aka 1/1's.

3) They go in timestamp order, so the 4/4 will be overwritten and it'll just be a 2/2 (with all creature types).

bananaman2 · Joined: 30 Jul 2008 Posts: 14

1. Yes (but it still has flying and first strike)
2. (as said before) the printed card is what's copied so you have a myriad of 1/1's
3. It's a 2/2 with all creature types. (So you could activate M.E. for 1 or more then pay 6 to get an 8/8 right away.)
4. It's a 1/1 with no abilities. It will return to being a 4/4 after the turn is over.

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 328

I somehow read the card entirely wrong. I was therefor wrong, ignore me.

FilomathBret · Joined: 29 May 2008 Posts: 16

Lynolf · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 255

Sorry to disagree, but I think you are the one wrong. The first ability says: "Figure of Destiny becomes a 2/2 Kithkin Spirit." In the same way you can turn it into an 8/8 when it is a 4/4, so can you do the reverse. It only cares if it is a Spirit to be turned into a 4/4. It IS a Spirit when it is an 8/8, so you can use its ability. In the same way you can use its first ability to turn it into a 2/2. And like bananaman said and well, it will retain its abilities if you turn it from an 8/8 to a 2/2, or even if you turn it into a 4/4. What you are saying would only make sense if the 1º ability would say: "Figure of Destiny becomes a 2/2 Kithkin Spirit. Play this ability only if Figure of Destiny is neither an Avatar or a Warrior.".

FilomathBret · Joined: 29 May 2008 Posts: 16

Yes Lynolf you are right except that it doesn't matter whether or not it's a Spirit when he plays it's first ability Smile

Tidus- · Joined: 27 Oct 2004 Posts: 306

If u mirrorweave an 8/8 figure of destiny then all creature apart from the 8/8 figure become 1/1

The figure has an ability that makes it 8/8 so it willl stay as a 8/8 after mirrorweave takes effect.

Also if once mirrorweave resloves and all creatures are figures if u activate any of them to make them say a 4/4 they will stay as a 4/4 permently after the eot

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 328

Man, I've been reading Figure of Destiny wrong the entire time. I thought the 'if Fod is a....' was build into the effect. My bad. No dependency and it just becomes a 2/2.

Man, I had this card all wrong.

Lynolf · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 255

No problem Hardtrack. Everyone makes mistakes once in a while. Don't feel bad about it. We still trust you to answer all our rulling questions. Very Happy

Eternal^ · Joined: 20 Jul 2008 Posts: 1

My FoD is 8/8 , my oponent playes Snakeform. Can I pay some of the cost for it to make it 2/2 , 4/4 or 8/8 after the snakeform has resolved ?

lucabil · Joined: 05 May 2008 Posts: 21

After Snakeform resolved, FoD has no ability to be played (until end of turn).

TugaChampion · Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 402

Another important thing. You have an 8/8 Figure. You also have 1 UW liege and 3 spirit tokens. You play mirrorweave on the liege. The liege and the tokens will be 9/11 and FoD will be a 16/16 U/W Kithkin Spirit Warrior Avatar with first strike and flying.

LoneWulf · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 158