C&D News + (possible) Changes |
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by  Azania on 2009-04-21 12:01 EST |
| As you all know we have received a Cease and Desist notice about 2 weeks ago.
Well basically we are still discussing some parts of it while having some changes done already. The following are permanent: - No more art of cards will be visible on the website - We have added a notice to make sure that people know that we are not associated with WotC in any kind of way. - We will not bring out any patch for any applications which violates the copyrights that WotC holds. Magic-League will stay and keep its name for now. We might change it in the future. When we do we will expand with other card games for online play. Not just Magic the Gathering. All of this is still under discussion. Also to make sure that you all know is that we will NOT stop, I repeat, We Will NOT stop hosting tournaments. Everything in that regard will stay. As a temporarily measure we have said that all tournament matches can be played at the players application of choice. However this means that if 2 people cannot play a match for being unable to use the same application they will BOTH be dq'ed. Rules that are specific for certain application will ALL stay to make sure that there will little to no problems. Please remember that this for now is temporarily. Another thing for now which is also temporarily till we decided what to do is that we removed all links to mws and apprentice. Last but not least we would like to thank everyone that has helped in anyway way from emailing us with information to voicing their opinion about this matter. Both on this site and on many others we have seen. Apparently this C&D has made a major impact even outside MtG related websites. However we do would like to say we have no interest in any law suit for which we have no money nor time. Also we respect the WotC as for they made the game and of course we therefor no intention to violate any copyrights. This does generate 1 problem which we might have to shutdown: Sealed. Sealed is at the moment the one that is siting in the Grey area. (The only part of the website). We are still looking into how we make sure this does not violate any copyrights. Sealed mini's are for now still allowed! (when we decide to remove sealed you will know, till then they are np) So we ask the judges to continue hosting tournaments as always and people to participate in them. For now we ask you all to use the application you are most used/comfortable with. Kind Regards, Azania ~ M-L Technical Director (PS this news post is subject to possible changes later on should there be. but for now this is what we have decided on.) Enjoy |
| Comments (52) |
six on 2009-04-21 12:10 EST nooooooooooo tempest sealed :(
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Burton911 on 2009-04-21 12:12 EST What if i want to play via MWS and my Opponent wants to play with apprentice?
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Azania on 2009-04-21 12:20 EST If you cannot settle on a way to play which prevents you and your opponent unable to play you will BOTH be Disqualified
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MistyFatDog on 2009-04-21 12:36 EST BOW CHICA WOW OWWWW
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Wiley on 2009-04-21 12:50 EST Well if sealed goes down, they better make more draft minis.
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Holzi on 2009-04-21 12:59 EST Apprentice is for idiots
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twodioz on 2009-04-21 13:15 EST Thank you for the update. ML can exist!!
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Burton911 on 2009-04-21 13:56 EST "If you cannot settle on a way to play which prevents you and your opponent unable to play you will BOTH be Disqualified"
That rule creats a huge space for idiots imo
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Tird_Ape on 2009-04-21 14:07 EST just use the normal one cough cough
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darksigma on 2009-04-21 14:36 EST by Tird_Ape on 2009-04-21 20:07 CET
just use the normal one cough cough
+1
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LordLink on 2009-04-21 14:39 EST So now we have to dodge random silver bullets in trials where some retards are joining without ever having heard of MWS. :S Or someone is intentionally joining just to knock someone out round 1.
Ah well, I can't think of a better plan off the top of my head so this will have to do I guess.
Good to see we're still going.
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TugaChampion on 2009-04-21 15:39 EST They could still enforce the use of one program coughmwscough but just point this enforcement on the irc channels.
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ZW on 2009-04-21 15:40 EST NO SEALEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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caesarthehun on 2009-04-21 15:43 EST wait....people still use apprentice?
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boeda on 2009-04-21 15:48 EST Hell yeah!
Thanks to all who made this possible! It isn't hard to have an opinion about what needs to be done but to do it takes character and some free time too.
Let's hope Wizards now see our community has its place in the magic-universe!
grz boeda
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trueeevil on 2009-04-21 16:40 EST We Will NOT stop hosting tournament.
tournaments*
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Avata on 2009-04-21 16:50 EST Some thoughts:
1. Thank you for taking the time to make this site work, and continue its existence. Obviously a lot of people spend time here, so, thank you. You probably don't hear it enough.
2. Sealed has been my favorite part of the site, I really, really hope it can stay.
3. To everyone that complains: Obviously the "you are both DQed if you can't play" will be a huge frustration on the rare occasions it comes up, but it's my understanding this is temporary, correct?
4. I don't want to be a jerk, but this news post could use some significant editing for spelling/grammar.
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Azania on 2009-04-21 17:00 EST @avata
I just did that yeah. Any other staff can edit it as if needed.. Was typed rather quickly at a friends comp.. Anyway all spelling errors should be gone now.
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Coonan on 2009-04-21 17:40 EST Just FYI, the "Currently our database is unfortunately down." page still links to download Apprentice and the Ravnica patch for it. Perhaps you should remove that?
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Rotstejn on 2009-04-21 17:45 EST 1) Will there be trials soon?
YES-> go to question 2
NO -> go to question 4
2) Will there be a master soon?
YES-> go to question 3
NO -> go to question 4
3) Will there be a prize support for that master?
4) nvm
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PV on 2009-04-21 19:09 EST Oh, that's easy to solve
Just tell people they can use any program they want, with the exception of apprentice, which is banned due to copyright issues ;P
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brimstone on 2009-04-21 19:23 EST by PV on 2009-04-21 19:09 EDT
Oh, that's easy to solve
Just tell people they can use any program they want, with the exception of apprentice, which is banned due to copyright issues ;P
OPT? ;)
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SteveMan on 2009-04-21 23:58 EST You should just disqualify everybody who uses Apprentice
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Spurious on 2009-04-22 01:27 EST I'm really happy to see that you guys are handling this the right way. A lot of sites would have buckled and closed or perhaps even worse, done nothing and actually been shut down.
The tact and poise demonstrated by your rational and non-reactionary handling of this situation is truly impressive. You have my support in whatever means I can give it.
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wyJETe on 2009-04-22 03:32 EST Spurious i really agree with you i think that the staff involved with this site have done a awesome job at handling this situation and others and all the while remaining very professional (even if it means i got banned) they have my full support as well
-Thank you magic league staff
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Linkman on 2009-04-22 04:59 EST OPT also breaks copyright, so that's not allowed either. Seems like MWS is the only thing left here.
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mtgsoldier on 2009-04-22 08:48 EST ML rocks
wotc scisors
gg
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Othar on 2009-04-22 10:35 EST FYI: I still see links to apprentice and MWS on the forums page.
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TugaChampion on 2009-04-22 11:32 EST TAKE THAT WIZARDS OF THE FAIL!
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shiZnits on 2009-04-22 13:40 EST I pray that I'm not going to have to download apprentice
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Alaric on 2009-04-22 15:32 EST There's a solution to the apprentice/mws dilemma. You can't tell people to use a program that violates copyrights, but you can tell someone NOT to use a program. For instance "T2 tournament NO APPRENTICE" would work. amiright?
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TugaChampion on 2009-04-22 16:16 EST You could say "no apprentice and no opt. We reserve the right to not allow a certain program if we want to."
The 2nd thing is just in case someone brings something strange.
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Zeph on 2009-04-22 21:25 EST Alaric's idea seems nice
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Mukke on 2009-04-23 13:54 EST Great to see you still going!
Keep up the wonderful work, and if the evil Wizards play ball, I might also continue supporting MOL.
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ThanosIsKing on 2009-04-24 05:49 EST I might be missing something, but could someone please explain how Apprentice and OPT violate the copyright while MWS avoids it?
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Ronnan on 2009-04-24 05:53 EST who says mws avoids it
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ThanosIsKing on 2009-04-24 12:28 EST brimstone and Linkman made it seem like Apprentice and OPT are out for copyright reasons while MWS is still usable. I just got the impression that MWS does something that the other two don't do (or vice versa) when pertaining to the copyright.
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Wiley on 2009-04-24 16:12 EST Appr and Opt aren't allowed because they breach copyright by being too much like the real game - MWS crashes too much to be just like the real game.
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TugaChampion on 2009-04-24 16:23 EST by Wiley on 2009-04-24 21:12 GMT
Appr and Opt aren't allowed because they breach copyright by being too much like the real game - MWS crashes too much to be just like the real game.
LOOOOOOOOOOL
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NahHolmes on 2009-04-24 17:04 EST MWS is a generic card game player and doesn't come preloaded with MTG material and you can't even download MTG stuff on the same site that hosts MWS. That is not by accident and that's how they avoid copyright violation.
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Ghoulax on 2009-04-25 09:50 EST Thanks for making this site possible and keep it online.
And... Shame on you WotC, remember that we, THE PLAYERS, made you what you are. Without us, you don't exist.
Thanks again guys.
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Jorbes on 2009-04-25 10:11 EST In all fairness, maybe mws doesn't violate many copyrights, but it does make use of a lot of characteristics that wotc has patented for their M:tG game.
- The layout of the card (wich mws copies in the default render engine)
- The turn structure (out of the box, mws has all the phases and steps of mtg)
- The Zones (library, graveyard, hand etc COMBINED are patented)
As far as OPT is concerned. I need to strip alot of stuff from the code and make use of game definition files like OCTGN does.
It's not very hard to remove the mtg stuff from the program and load it separately, but it will take some time to do and work has been very demanding lately.
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Fridolin on 2009-04-26 14:58 EST I really appreciate what the ml community is doing right now and would like to express my gratitude for that. It's sad that WotC considers this small league a threat to their business. I suppose ml has crossed the line when it promoted for card images for mws or other programs, even if that happened mainly in the chat rooms.
Still, there are plenty of ways to continue this site without violating and copyrights of WotC.
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ManaLeak on 2009-04-27 12:12 EST might want to change the meta header src=" magic-league : free online magic the gathering play. just put free online trading card gaming play.. or something.
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ChuckNorris on 2009-04-28 22:21 EST Fuck wotc for being cunt bitches.
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Malakai97 on 2009-05-01 15:31 EST Someone probably already mentioned this, but there's nothing stopping you from saying which applications are NOT allowed. Think of it as painting a picture by creating the negative...
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Lumbalgic on 2009-05-10 23:51 EST by trueeevil on 2009-04-21 15:40 CDT
We Will NOT stop hosting tournament.
tournaments*
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tzaron on 2009-05-12 21:38 EST well i dont play m_l our mtgo just the reall stuff
but it fells better to play here then to make proxs,and if this is a free tournaments just for those players that can`t afford mtgo,and for the minors that play 1 important role in mtg community cause they r the future of this game,
"and i think no 11 to 16 year old can afford a credict card"
and the kids at my local arena just don`t play cause when they do,they just get murthered by guys like me
most times we do our game and they just nod their heads like they have no clue watt we r doing,so i normally recommend them to play here cause its free and they can practise and learn better the game.
so i have no intention in teaching kids to play so if m_l helps ppl so test and evolve with no cust,so that when they go to local tournaments they perform better and enjoy that experience
thanks to m_l and shame on wizards for this action,cause in the long run will cost more players to magic and has a result money for wizards
by the way the guy that created magic has forgotten why he did it he just tinks he is "tio patinhas"now
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TugaChampion on 2009-05-14 08:41 EST fdx ja aprendias era a falar ingles...
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HdH_Cthulhu on 2009-05-14 17:43 EST by
Varno on 2009-05-19 02:12 EST why is Wotc being such a bully, i mean did they do this to every site like this one or just this one because it's the most popular. But good luck with your struggle and i hope you get this site working up to 100% really soon.
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Benobi on 2009-05-21 05:17 EST "by the way the guy that created magic has forgotten why he did it he just tinks he is "tio patinhas"now "
Actually, Richard Garfield has almost nothing to do with the card game these days, he's a college professor somewhere, and he himself has said that he doesn't like the direction the game is going
