by MassO on 2011-05-29 22:06 CET
by pascal3000 on 2011-05-29 22:10 CET
T.T I know its a bold statement, but i really do think 12Post was the best deck for the format and i probably had one of the best maindecks of the deck available (admittedly my sideboard was really really terrible).
It races Zoo pretty handily (and white weenie is even easier to deal with) and theres no good way for a counterspell based control deck to interact with it.
Got a gameloss for starting the game with the wrong deck, cause i misclicked, beat a game 1 turn 3 bloodmoon then died to the absolute nutdraw game 3 with my slow hand =/
In a format THIS filled with Zoo i definitly think its the right combo / control deck to go to. The Zoo decks prepared for Hypergenesis really well it seems, but cant interact with you that well. Atleast the better deckbuilders on here HAD bloodmoons
Just get 4 Krosan Grips in the side in addition to the 4 Repeals to fight through Blood Moons and you should crush this meta.
by DeVoursneyNR on 2011-05-29 22:17 CET
I'm surprised that my deck, which played no lands, got 4th-6th XD Also, I noticed that the list that archmage shipped me does really well against Hyperegenesis decks. I almost won r4 but I made a few play mistakes.
Also, Pascal, if you had to make a new sb, what would it be?
by pascal3000 on 2011-05-29 22:23 CET
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Krosan Grip
1 Spell Burst
3 Additional Anti-Zoo / Aggresive Deck slots (Silent Arbiter, Engineered Explosives, Wurmcoil Engine, Oblivion Stone, Kitchen Finks)
by ChristPunchr on 2011-05-29 22:35 CET
Marked lack of good mono blue.
by gypsy on 2011-05-29 23:09 CET
lol halo BEST DECK
by gypsy on 2011-05-29 23:35 CET
and i dont know why aether vial isnt banned they banned anything else that was relevant vial should be in every creature deck
by boss95 on 2011-05-30 00:15 CET
WTF seriously no serra avenger or jotun grunt in the WW 75 -_-
by archmage521 on 2011-05-30 00:19 CET
your welcome halo ;P
by DenisSinner on 2011-05-30 00:36 CET
Jotun Grunt doesn't get enough cards from the Graveyard in Modern (he was never played in old extended?). Serra Avenger could replace KotwO thought. Hawks are awesome with Vial, feels like Bitterblossom :)
by DenisSinner on 2011-05-30 00:43 CET
Yeah Serra Avenger should be in there, beeing Fallout & Punishing Fire proof is a big plus. Why isn't my edit button working?
by Frozen_Fire on 2011-05-30 00:45 CET
Halo_Lover: your deck is amazing, but you just forgot about Summoning Trap. If someone is wanting to counter your 0cc dudes with chalice, Surprise Buttsex! LOLWUT Progenitus on turn one!
by Burton911 on 2011-05-30 00:48 CET
card counts of the format:
(i cant provide a breakdown, as i simply dont have data of the archtypes)
______________ -< Most Played Cards >- ______________
63 Scalding Tarn
61 Stoneforge Mystic
61 Arid Mesa
53 Knight of the Reliquary
52 Lightning Bolt
49 Misty Rainforest
49 Path to Exile
47 Marsh Flats
46 Wild Nacatl
44 Noble Hierarch
44 Bloodbraid Elf
41 Stomping Ground
40 Temple Garden
37 Sacred Foundry
29 Verdant Catacombs
28 Dark Confidant
28 Punishing Fire
28 Grove of the Burnwillows
27 Godless Shrine
27 Qasali Pridemage
23 Lightning Helix
23 Mana Leak
20 Reflecting Pool
20 Goblin Guide
Full list on pastebin:
and i guess i could post the lists in txt form cause then its possible to use Ctrl+F to search for certain lists:
Well that shows pretty much what to expect from the format, as it looks like Legacy with less blue among the most played cards.
by kendiggy on 2011-05-30 00:56 CET
Dude, the pros haven't gotten their hands on this format. I would expect a huge change.
by Terri on 2011-05-30 01:02 CET
they did. the winner is a pro he top8ed at pro tour berlin and top 32 or even top 16 couple other pts
by pascal3000 on 2011-05-30 01:15 CET
How does that look like Legacy at all? It looks like Zoo and thats all...
Way too much Zoo compared to how beatable it is in the format, but i guess thats what happens in a new format...
by Terri on 2011-05-30 01:22 CET
pascal obv you re the best player ever existed on ml why dont you just fuck off and play with better players. the shit you are writing the whole time annoys everyone.
by Sun_Diego on 2011-05-30 01:31 CET
by DeVoursneyNR on 2011-05-30 01:40 CET
by ChristPunchr on 2011-05-30 02:28 CET
Thought about the lack of cards/decks and it is mostly related to people not having played in Mirrodin and onward.
That's the only explanation that I can fathom for the lack of shackles, remand, delay and rune snag.
When I looked through the decks earlier, I didn't see many cards that hadn't seen exposure through legacy. Were the guys who make crazy decks for extended plus mostly absent for this tournament or are rogue builders becoming more rare?
by Blad01 on 2011-05-30 03:47 CET
This should have been a master in swiss rounds.
by silverbullet on 2011-05-30 09:38 CET
at least my Merfolk got beat by the 1st placer. Congrats! I wonder why I was the only Merfolk player.
Is punishing fire combo really that bad against Merfolk or should I have placed some Kira in the deck... oh well.
by DenisSinner on 2011-05-30 09:44 CET
You never played the old extended, did you? Modern ist't all that different in terms of the Powerlevel. Shackles needed the right metagame to be played in the old extended most of the Time, remand and rune snag were worse then mana leak and Delay wasn't event good enough for Standard. All of this should be common Knowledge for you if you ever played extended on a competitive level. The Rogue builders comment makes me angry, seems i forgot that WW with Vial and counterspells is a known Archtype in extended.
by wdeister on 2011-05-30 10:18 CET
This should be what extended is. Maybe push it back to Onslaught and go from there. Vial would undoubtedly need to be banned, every bad deck I built with Vial in it beat every bad deck without vial in this format.
by ChristPunchr on 2011-05-30 12:57 CET
I actually played pre-1.5 extended and lost interest in it around the time the format got warped by foundry.
WWu is hardly anything new and my mention of shackles, delay, remand and snag was a general reference to decklists from this tournament and a nod to muc.
If you consider yourself to be a rogue deckbuilder, you have no one to be upset with, but yourself for somehow forgetting to put avengers in your deck...little owe mindcensors and grunts, which are also among the best white dorks that I've ever turned sideways.
by Mengu09 on 2011-05-30 13:43 CET
where is Punishing Fire in Zoo??? That's madness to not play it there :)
by Tao on 2011-05-30 13:59 CET
lol silly kids don't know anything
by Burton911 on 2011-05-30 14:26 CET
How does that look like Legacy at all? It looks like Zoo and thats all...
Way too much Zoo compared to how beatable it is in the format, but i guess thats what happens in a new format..."
I dont know off which tournament you are talking about, but in this particular one, there are 0 (read ZERO) zoo decks.
This are more Jund Decks pressed in Naya Shells (Utility anc Card Advantage and a variabl gamepositon depending on who is your opponent).
Which brings us to Legacy where almost every deck thats not eiter Merfolk or Combo is some Kind of Aggro/Midrange - Control Deck.
by Wichtelman on 2011-05-30 15:00 CET
so much fun here... :P
by Tao on 2011-05-30 15:17 CET
that "naya blade" deck is zoo. but for sake of review, let's pretend it's not zoo, even though its a red-white-green aggro deck with wild nacatls.
by darkwizard42 on 2011-05-30 16:20 CET
I will say one thing, I lost due to a misplay on my part...I tutored up a Sword of Fire and Ice instead of Sword of Light and Shadow...even with two path to exiles, I would have been able to push through some damage and get life back. DenisSinner played a great set of games and the last one was tempo to the max.
One word. Batterskull, the card is nuts, stops aggro decks in their place and allows for some very strong lifeswings later in the game. The key to my wins against other Zoo decks were always Batterskulls. Also shoutout to Tidus- for arguing so vehemently about Blood Moon maindeck...it really made the difference all day. Between catching BW with its pants down (no white mana) or Valakut with no green mana, it made people scoop up their cards in a hurry. I played against BW Deadguy, Zoo, Zoo, Mirror(vs. Tidus-) RG Aggroshift, UW VialTempo.
My view on the format is that a tuned control deck might have a shot, but it will have to embrace a midrange strategy of using Stoneforge Mystic. All Zoo decks should be packing Krosan Grip, cause Batterskull RUINS any chance of them winning. The Sword of Light and Shadow was MVP, wish I had tutored it up in the finals -__-*
I would change the deck by potentially dropping Nactl's for something else like Path to Exile or Lightning Helix, as I really felt like I wanted more removal and didn't care for the 3/3 cat.
Also obv no P-fire cause you are playing Blood Moon maindeck...this was designed to beat the mirror and smash tron/control
by [R]Nchamay on 2011-05-30 16:59 CET
Can someone explain how halo's deck works? I kind of get it, just not a lot lol
by AppleofEris on 2011-05-30 17:00 CET
Magus of the Moon and Blood Moon are both legal. Zoo decks for the lose.
by Kytep on 2011-05-30 17:08 CET
Congratulations on your 3-1 showing with a very cool deck. I haven't played it yet, but looking over the list, it looks to me like you pretty much NEED Blazing Shoal to win, and probably two of them at that (Shoal/Progenitus + Memnite = 11 dmg, so Memmy will have to hit 9 more times w/o another Shoal? - or you at least have to redirect some dmg w/Shining Shoal). Even with 8 "free" cyclers (Wraith and Probe), I would think that the odds of getting two B-Shoals (plus one of 12 creatures to carry it) soon enough to win the early game would be pretty low.
Clearly your results refute my thinking here. What am I missing?
Also - What - if any - changes would you make? (FWIW, I like Frozen_Fire's suggestion of Summoning Trap in the SB vs. counters.)
by GuilleGG on 2011-05-30 18:09 CET
I los R1 with denisssiner and made thesame missplay that Darkwizard42 did, fetched the wrong sword. If i search for SoLS or SoWP i would have won G3.
My bad for being to greedy or too bad player all in all.
by DenisSinner on 2011-05-30 18:17 CET
Hm there actualy was no G3 in our match ^^
by mishimakaz on 2011-05-30 18:46 CET
Stoneforge Mystic in EVERY format...
by darkwizard42 on 2011-05-30 19:20 CET
^ true story
by jfc on 2011-05-30 19:46 CET
by DenisSinner on 2011-05-30 20:13 CET
now imagine they would have made SFM Mythic...
by darkwizard42 on 2011-05-31 00:30 CET
Would have been jace valued lol easy 70 dollar card
by DeVoursneyNR on 2011-05-31 01:11 CET
Okay, my deck wins with Blazing and Shining Shoal. You deal a bunch of damage to them, they try to return the favor and you kill them. Chancellor of the Dross and Soul Spike help this and the black shoal kills their dudes so you can get through.
by idoleyes on 2011-05-31 08:27 CET
this is a class format although i ant see why nobody was aethervileing faeries into play, and i expected a GW token aggro.
i like modern it means the ravnica dual lands may have value again lol
so much negativity of people decks today and i notice its usually by people who dont even build decks or compete. lol
by Akatsuki on 2011-05-31 15:24 CET
How do you do the analyses via pastebin?
Could you please explain, because I really want to do one for the Top 8 of GP Providence. Thanks!!
by Burton911 on 2011-05-31 21:50 CET
no fun here anymore? :/
@Akatsuki: what do you mean with "the analyses via pastebin"? If you mean the "most played cards"-list then there are two possiblities.
If you can programm its not that hard, if not well im afraid i dont have the time atm to write the interface to hook up with the wotc site.
//edit: i just figured out an much easier way to get the data from the wotc page, so if all you want is the most played cards list of the top 8, thats doable.
by Akatsuki on 2011-06-01 22:27 CET
could you please explain here? I did it manually and posted it on the source, but it'd be nice to know for the future
by Cableguy on 2011-08-17 14:28 CET
The following cards are banned in Modern tournaments:
•Glimpse of Nature
•Jace, the Mind Sculptor
•Seat of the Synod
•Sensei's Divining Top
•Sword of the Meek
•Tree of Tales
•Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
•Vault of Whispers
by Cableguy on 2011-08-17 14:29 CET
I cannot take these lists seriously considering they are all banned and illegal
by DonDiggy on 2011-08-18 17:43 CET
Idiot, that Trial was be4 bannings.