by Lynolf on 2009-08-19 18:26 EST

City of Brass and Petrified Field produce mana, you know... :/

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by Eldariel on 2009-08-19 18:30 EST

Lies! Filthy lies! City of Brass only deals damage to you when you tap it and Petrified Field only returns Bazaars to hand!

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by gor187 on 2009-08-19 18:33 EST

ykpon wouldnt be second if he didnt draw 4 wastelands and a strip mine all at once shakes head nice top deck though

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by Kytep on 2009-08-19 19:14 EST

I have to admit - I'm confused. What's the purpose of the Petrified Fields? Wouldn't you want to either run Gemstones in that slot, or just go the opposite direction and run no mana-producers at all? Running only 4 colored sources - even with only 4 MD spells which require mana - yet 2 colorless sources that don't seem to do anything seems a bit strange.

Would't Strip Mine/Wasteland be better in the Petrified Fields slot? Or are they there to COMBAT Strip/Waste, so one can cast a post-Strip/Waste Duress on occasion?

Cool deck; I just don't quite understand all of the land choices.

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by Almi on 2009-08-19 19:56 EST

Easy. You dont need to play anything from ur hand, just throw all ur deck to the grave and play from there.

U need Petrifield to back Bazaars from grave to play, the MVP of the deck (the Bazaar, obv.)

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by Delicious on 2009-08-19 22:55 EST

i wish i understood vintage more lol

I looked at the sb of the 1st deck and have no idea why some of the cards are in there

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by Eldariel on 2009-08-20 00:16 EST

1st deck is VERY simple: The maindeck is built so that you use Serum Powder and mulligans to find a Bazaar of Baghdad. Then you keep, use Bazaar + NarcoBridge + Ichorid + Dread Return + Cabal Therapy to mill your deck turn 2-3 and win. Petrified Field is there in case your Bazaar gets Wastelanded and the rest of the non-Dredge cards (Chalice, Unmask, Leyline) are meant to disrupt your opponent long enough for you to win.

Then the whole sideboard is dedicated to answering opponent's hate. It should be obvious that something like Leyline of the Void, Planar Void, Yixlid Jailer, Pithing Needle (on Bazaar) or similar is just going to wreck you so the sideboard contains a pack of answers to these answers with Bazaar still acting as a solid draw engine even with gravehate in play.


Usually Ichorid wins G1 against anything, and then tries to win 1 of the games 2 or 3 through hate. It should be rather obvious that you need to be somewhat lucky to draw your anti-hate cards while still having a hand capable of going off, and not having your opponent win before you, but having two games worth of time, in one of which you go first helps a lot.

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by Kytep on 2009-08-20 00:19 EST

I only count 7 no-mana ways to chuck a card without dredge (Unmask and Bazaar), and 4 ways which also require a City of Brass in play (Cabal Therapy). So, does the No-Mana Ichorid deck usually want to draw first, so they can chuck a card during their first discard phase if they need to? Or does it rely on the aforementioned 7 (up to 11) cards and Serum Powder/aggressive mulligans to get one in the opening hand?

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by Malakai97 on 2009-08-20 00:26 EST

With Serum Powder you have something like a 93% chance of getting a Bazaar and a card with dredge in your opening hand.

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by Eldariel on 2009-08-20 01:02 EST

Kytep: You mulligan/Serum until you have a Bazaar in hand. End of story. You always want to go first because many of your hatecards (Chalice & Unmask in particular) are much better on the play. And Bazaar is literally the deck's only engine.

The key is that it NEVER needs to cast a spell to win the game. In fact, the no-spells win is quite swift though there's no reason not to DReturn/Therapy FTW, but in Vintage where 4 FoWs appear a lot, being able to win quick (or rather, get the engine rolling) without casting spells is a huge boon and indeed one of the main factors for Ichorid's success (especially over other combo-decks) in Vintage.

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by styx^ on 2009-08-20 03:51 EST

But shouldn't it be Gemstone Caverns or do i see that wrong? :o

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by Duodax on 2009-08-20 04:01 EST

Caverns steal you a card in hand which you need for Bazaar.

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by Kytep on 2009-08-20 09:52 EST

Thanks for the explanations, Almi, Eldariel, and Malaki97. I think it's a VERY cool concept. Being able to win (and quickly at that) without casting a spell and with only one land in play? How cool is that?!

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by Eldariel on 2009-08-20 10:50 EST

@Styx: The sideboard lands need to be topdeckable; they're what enables him to get rid of opponent's hatecards in the first place and one might need to dig for 'em with Bazaar (and that's the deck's Achilles' Heel; there are only so many mana sources for actually playing the anti-hate).

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by ssilver on 2009-08-20 15:18 EST

I got a first turn Yixlid jailor, and he dug for a turn with chain of vapour, vapoured it eot, and went off third turn I believe. The deck is very powerful and very consistent, the ability to dig dig dig until you get your anti-hate cards is very useful.

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by dv8r on 2009-08-20 17:45 EST

I DO play vintage, but I still have no idea what eon hub is against... is oath still playable?

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by IberianWolf on 2009-08-20 18:16 EST

stax, oath, you can use masticore without having to discard with it, ichorid doesn't trigger, etc, I guess. just stating some possibilities

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by ykpon on 2009-08-20 19:04 EST

dv8r, i usually DO NOT play vintage, so my side is a bit random, sorry :3

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by Lewmizzle on 2009-09-21 13:12 EST

sorry im a noob & i know this thread is old but i dont understand why city of brass is played over gemstone mine. also why is the pyrite spellbomb in sb?

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