by Eldariel on 2008-08-11 20:02 MST

...what happened?

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by nightscare on 2008-08-11 20:21 MST

people died.

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by ZW on 2008-08-11 20:30 MST

second and third place decks don't look to good...why doesn't the 3rd place deck play snuffers? It seems to have a bad kithkin matchup. I'm pretty sure people have stopped playing faeries for some reason also.

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by theMamba on 2008-08-11 20:56 MST

terrible decks.

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by Weedmonkey on 2008-08-11 21:09 MST

Is it just me, or have all the good players suddenly disappeared from trials?

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by Sniper187 on 2008-08-11 21:15 MST

Re: faeries. I did play 1 faeries deck outta 7. If the meta switches more to 5c control and the red deck shown (also did well in the GP), faeries is a pretty bad deck to play nowadays :/. As for my deck, the 1 of puppeteer clique was just to test. Definitely need 2 or 3 run main... it was my MVP of the trial. I'm sure room can be made for negate in the SB, I just figured thoughtseize + 8 counters would be enough to overwhelm the mirror. There's no perfect build of the deck because it depends entirely on what you expect to face. You just take an educated guess and build accordingly.

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by ZW on 2008-08-11 21:22 MST

Um, faeries has a good 5c matchup, i'm not sure what you're talking about. Also, red is like 50/50 with faeries.

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by Sniper187 on 2008-08-11 21:29 MST

Faeries has a slightly favorable matchup vs. chapin.dec. It does not have a good matchup against a deck that has 15 virtual wraths vs. it :/ and counter support. Of course, it all depends on the build.

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by cmc on 2008-08-11 21:43 MST

AlexKim.dec ftw :D

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by trueeevil on 2008-08-11 21:49 MST

3rd deck looks fine vs fae, hallowed burial, festercreep, stilmoon cavalier, other stuffs.

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by xiko on 2008-08-11 21:55 MST

gthompson said that his only loss to faeries was to PV. (he faced it 5 times)

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by LiLDder on 2008-08-11 23:17 MST

Well Alex Kim & Kyle Goodman both made $250 with a 70 card simular deck to the 2nd place deck at GP Denver & they were the only 2 playing it!
The 5CC deck i dont like so much compard 2 Pat Chapin's Justic Toast Antonino De Rosa & Gerry Tompson played but the finals matchup is not in his favor so im guessing his changes won him that matchup
Im sure that Gerry T's List is better VS fae then his & why 1 Profane Command & why Soul Snuffers over Hallowed Burial? Im sure people stop playing the Fae because Red is like a autoloss & with The Red Beatdown & The Red Control Deck & 5CC beating fae seems like a bad choice they cant even beat kithkin anymore cause they have Stillmoon Caliver's Main Deck & Order of Whiteclay

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by ZW on 2008-08-11 23:20 MST

Wait...faeries is not close to an auto loss versus red...its slightly in red's favor. The only deck faeries is worse than 50/50 against is red, and its still a close matchup. How is order of the whiteclay good versus faeries??? And most versions don't play stillmoon maindeck, let alone sideboard. *sigh*

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by Sniper187 on 2008-08-12 00:05 MST

ZW must be a faeries player :/. If a deck only has 1 matchup in the entire format "slightly worse" than 50/50... then why are fewer people playing it? It was a play mistake away from losing in Kobe and i guarantee u Puppeteer Clique main is what made Lee Steht T8 GP Denver. As for the comparisons to chapin.dec, only Gerry T ran runed halo and made Day 2. Chapin and the rest got bashed by merfolk and other aggro decks, in spite of being built to handle them. This is why I rarely play here... just to test cards before buying them on MTGO. ahhh sweet anonymity :)

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by Sniper187 on 2008-08-12 00:09 MST

As for the 1 ofs.. like i said... just testing different cards :). The profane might get bumped up to 2 but no more, it's not the same beast that it is in g/b doran or elves where u can profane for 1 or 2. It's a late game finisher only. I definitely like soul snuffers over hallowed burial. It's a turn faster (huge vs. kithkin and faeries), and it's a body that can be chumped with, mannequin'ed or profane'd at will. Burial is better vs. reveillark, but clique and archon make it hard for the reveillark deck to have many options anyway. Just food for thought.

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by ZW on 2008-08-12 00:17 MST

Fewer people are only playing it on magic-league, which a horrible representation of the block metagame. About 1/3 of the day 2 deck were faeries at denver, you cannot possibly say less people were playing it. There were only 5 red deck wins on day 2, not including the 2 red/green/black lists. On magic-league, when a deck is in deck tech, it gains sudden popularity. If you go to a ptq, you will find how it is about 1/3 faeries.

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by Smut on 2008-08-12 00:20 MST

1) the deck is solar flare

2) i lost to sniper because he won game 1 (barely!) and time was called right after i won game 2, so he default won. who knows what would have happened if we had time to play it out.

3) i played kithkin twice in the trial, and won both 2-0. i've tested against it plenty, and the matchup seems fine, especially after i board in 4 shriekmaw.

4) i only played faeries once. the matchup is way better after board.

5) why WOULD the deck play soul snuffers? festercreep accomplishes much of the same thing, without crippling my team, without costing 4, and is targetable by reveillark. as for it's usefulness against faeries, i can see the point, but my sideboard plan against them revolves around playing bitterblossom, which makes it much more symmetrical, and therefore not as good.

6) i dont think archon's leave play ability will ever have an effect on what a reveillark can bring back, just be virtue of the timing of a reveillark deck.

for further info about the deck, read chapin's articles.

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by snoopster on 2008-08-12 01:56 MST

how about we calm down and stop fighting

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by ZW on 2008-08-12 02:11 MST

*sigh* cookies and cream is good ice cream *sigh*

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by Shagrath on 2008-08-12 02:57 MST

That isn´t flare.... geez... why ppl keep calling decks that have the same colors.... flares, rocks, etc?
There was a reason and a meaning for ppl in that time to call those names, so dont call it rock, flare,rdw, orzhov... because it really isn´t.

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by TugaChampion on 2008-08-12 04:36 MST

yeah calling it solar flare is ridiculous. Solar Flare was a deck from T2 kami+rav+coldsnap+9th and then it came back when timepiral replaced kami. In block there are 0 cards from both builds how can you call it solar flare???

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by CMA-Flippi on 2008-08-12 05:46 MST

Solar Flare without Angel of Despair is impossible. Angel of Despair is the card that gives Solar Flare its name.

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by Lynolf on 2008-08-12 08:07 MST

Well why not change the deck name instead? Sure, Solar Flare was a cool deck from the old days. Just because it has a similar strategy (or not) doesn't mean it has to have the same name. Make up another innovative name for it, like Midnight Banishment. XD

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by RaiSalcedo on 2008-08-12 08:29 MST

well then, we called it puppeteer control...

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by Shagrath on 2008-08-12 08:38 MST

lol ! penis

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by Smut on 2008-08-12 13:30 MST

so, as i said previously, i didn't make up the name for this deck. patrick chapin did. go bother him about it.
on a more general level, i think it's useful to have named deck archetypes. once you hear the name, you know what the deck is supposed to do, and have a good idea of what cards are in it.
as for angel of despair, that is a card that was in a deck originally called solar flare, that happened to inspire the name at the time. it need not be the defining card of the archetype in every format. similarly, every format has rock decks, and few of them have phyrexian plaguelord.

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